Thursday, February 26, 2009

The Death of the HP CM8060 with Edgeline Technology has been Greatly Exaggerated

The HP CM80x0 Edgeline.

There is a small firestorm of "concern" brewing around the comments I shared here from the Lyra Symposium regarding the Edgeline.

Couple this with the report that HP moved Edgeline assets "off-shore", and Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt are bound to permeate.

It's referred to as the F.U.D. selling technique and is used by the more shadier copier sales people out there - "X".

If you run your business, your department or your life from a position of Fear, then you have probably been a victim of this selling technique. If so, stop right now, move your mouse over the "X" in the top, right hand corner and click.

No room here for the fearful.

Here's the story - HP is NOT putting Edgeline out to pasture, end of life.

HP IS behind Edgeline, supporting Edgeline, and Edgeline is part of the future.

Resellers are still certified, my techs still service Edgelines, I can still get service parts, toner and engines - all is moving forward.

So if your "X" sales person is telling you that the HP CM8060 is at "end of life" - move your mouse over the "X" and click him out.

All this hub bub has given me pause, so I reflect.

It's true, HP has not sold as many units as they would have liked, but how have I been effected?

How have my clients been effected? What does this all mean to me, personally?

Sparking up PrintSolv and checking into our fleet of CM80x0's, I remember the dozens of reasons these clients chose Edgeline.

One company, wanted to explore saving money by reducing energy consumption as compared to their Canons. The Canons had "all the bells", including 3 hole punch, 11x17 and scanning. After looking at the actual usage, 11x17 output was less than 1% of total. Three hole punch, hadn't been used for "...2 years..."

At last month's Customer Review Meeting, we confirmed that since August of 2008, energy consumption for copiers declined 11%.

This was predicted. This is measured. This is a fact. The Edgeline is GREEN.

A side benefit was a reduction in paper purchases from 17 cases/month to 12 cases/month. Duplex was set as default on the Edgeline and all other HP devices.

Scrolling down, I see one client who currently prints about 15,000 color images a month.

Well, I should say, 14,500 Color Accent images a month.

This client was absolutely fed up with the poor customer service, unpredictable color quality, numerous jamming and a ridiculous contract the Konica Minolta dealer was "unwilling to help with".

Indeed, when the unit did print color correctly that is without a "pinkish" hue, a 12 cent/page charge was incurred. After looking at their output, which is revenue generating, almost 80% of the pages had less than 150 characters of text in color. Not many pictures or graphs.

We installed the Edgeline for a 30 day evaluation, which expanded into a 90 day evaluation. Earlier on, the cost savings looked significant for color cost alone. But when we rolled in the ease of use, lower energy consumption, lower amount of disposable service parts(no drum, fuser, etc.) - and the ability to EASILY remove mis-feeds - the Edgeline looked even better "on paper".

I can not say that the Edgeline will not mis-feed, but when it does, end users do not simply walk away from the "blinking wrench"; they easily fix the problem using the AutoNav and live video display. Simple.

Today, because of the Color Accent functionality found only on Edgeline, my client saves a significant amount of money printing color at the black and white rate - printing color text.

The biggest impact on the organization has been reliability - the Edgeline is bullet proof.

But, the client is saving "lots" of money - the Konica is sitting in the corner of the room, used as backup - the lease is still in effect - for another 21 months. Even carrying the lease on this dead machine, they are reducing costs.

One more example -

A very small fleet of Edgelines(4 units) we installed before going with PrintSolv.

These units notify my offices and the client when supplies hit a minimum and service issues reach a certain level. For instance, magenta down to 3% issues an email; three consecutive mis feeds in the ADF, trigger a service email.

To date, we have dispatched 3 service calls to each machine, when notified of a problem, by the machine. That's 12, premptive, non PM service calls in the last 18 months.

Our tech shows up before the end user calls our toll free number. There have even been cases when our tech will show up while the Admin is speaking to our dispatch.

These four Edgelines replaced five boxes from Xerox. My client had been a Xerox customer for DECADES. But saw an "account executive" rarely if ever; the end users knew the service technicians by name, first name.

This account represents quite a few Edgelines - quite a few.

The Take Aways - How to work with Edgeline, from a customer's view and from the Reseller's perspective.

If you arelooking getting more than 4 Edgelines, install a trial unit.

If you are a reseller and you have a prospect who is looking to roll out more than four Edgelines, install a trial unit.

And when going through the trial process, treat it as a sale - perform the site survey, collect end user requirements and network security issues. Train the end users(twice or more) on all the relevant functions.

Set the system up to email your client and you when issues arise.

Do not try to fit this "square peg" into a round hole - do your homework. Both client and provider.

Sustainability - the Edgeline and HP is very Green. Reducing power consumption and landfill materials.

When the unit is installed in an environment that fits, the system performs very well.

I know. I have replaced Canon, Konica Minolta, Xerox, Imagistics and Toshiba with Edgeline.

Edgeline treats business documents the way they are in the real world - hardly anyone uses 11x17 - it's a fact. Sure you can find some who run nothing but 11x17, those are not Edgeline prospects.

Hardly anyone use the 3-hole punch - it's a fact. If it is a "big" issue, pre-drilled is the way to go.

Whenever one penetrates a market with very established players, who apply a tried and proven sales and manufacturing model, such as the copier industry, one is bound to take a few hits.

HP is not going to someday stop printing - but there will be companies that will one day stop copying.

Crazy Disclaimer - the above accounts are a "conglomeration" of cases illustrated as individual clients. The facts remain the same.


  1. There will always be a need for a copy of something, as long as we all still use paper. What the article also stated is the HP wants all HP Dealers to anti up and purchase four or five of these units, and if you don't you'll be De-Authorized. Sounds like they are trying to eliminate inventory.

    Nice article way to work the keyboard!

  2. HeHe...Paper, Schmaper...

    "ante up to 5 units..."

    I can tell you that the unit requirements have actually gone DOWN.

    5 units over a month? a quarter? Two quarters?

    there are roughly...100 or so OPS resellers(I could be wrong), so that's only...500 units a quarter, 2000 a year...not bad...

    Point is - the machine is fine, it's the marketing and sales that need a shot in the arm.

  3. Oh - and how about those Edgeline Girls, eh?

    Hubba, Hubba...

  4. Greg,
    Just curious. Is there any standard way to capture in numbers all the real stuff about long term value?

    I've been playing with the idea of Return on Time as a metric.

    Given what I've learned from your post, I think it would be pretty cool if there was a way to put a number on time saved over a 1 year and 2 year time frame.

    If had to make a decision as part of a large organization, saving time is a nice to have. Saving time is a proximate incentive for my group. I would go with time savings any day over money savings now..especially if I'm spending budget money instead of my money.

  5. Dr.

    "return on time" is a great metric - and easily understood once "monetized" by applying standard labor rates.

    Although, illustrating a 15 min investment of time each day will save you 120 hours of time over a year - is not a bad start.

    I understand the value of time, you do too and to some degree, I am sure all C-Levels do as well.

    The trick is to make it easily understandable with quantifiable results.

    Interesting - I will try it in the field.

  6. When using the HP CM8060 with Adobe document creation software products like Indesign, Photoshop PDF, etc and CMYK colors, how can the best matches to Pantone colors be achieved (easily or with difficulty), and how good are they in Professional mode?

  7. Taste - the CM80x0 is not designed to be a "creative" color system - business color is the only environment I recommend placing this system.

    And when in the correct business setting the system is nearly flawless...

    Thanks for commenting

  8. I would have to agree as long as there are people like me that love things on paper there will be printers, I have to have that something in my hand, but I do know that soon there wont be printed books and magazines as every thing will become digital.

  9. The edgelines are not bad equipment, I work a contract that has approx 24 units. However, that being said, they are very maintenance oriented. If you do not take care of the machine then the machine will not take care of you, but this is the same for all mechanical products(cars, boats, printers, trains, etc.) we use. Like most end users that use Edgelines, they love them when they are running but when they go down they hate them.

  10. Hi,

    Long Live the 8060!

    We have two here in our NC office, two more in IA and our client has one in NY.

    They love to run, the more you use them the better they are. We also have them on dedicated UPS so they never stop if we have power blips.

    We replaced two old Xerox 7050 units that we ran forever.

    We like the liquid inks, no more powder toner and the low cost to own and run these HP units.

    One thing I do not like is the cryptic error messages. I like to know what is wrong, I'm an IT guy with 30 years in IT (aka data processing).

  11. I'm looking for some recommendations on paper for my edgeline. We're printing brochures on 11x17 paper and having trouble finding anything as good as the HP brochure paper. Not only is the paper way too thick for our application it is not available in the volumes we are looking for (100k sheets). The HP paper has superior smudge resistance and an beautiful gloss. At this point I'll take a good paper that is matte, but I just can't find anything that looks good.

  12. Edgeline is dead. Waste of 4 billion dollars for HP. Dead, dead and dead.