Edgeline at 300 Page Per Minute

HP has purchased - Exstream, check out this blog entry for a quick primer. And word has it HP spent $915 million...I read this off of this a blog post, by Andrew Tribute at the Print CEO Blog:

"I have analyzed in depth all the HP white papers on Edgeline and from this have worked out that HP could easily make a 20 inch width color data center printer that could operate at a speed slightly in excess of 300 pages/min.

I know this is not as fast as the new range of high-speed color printers from Agfa, IBM, Kodak, Océ, Screen and Xerox, but Edgeline technology would allow HP to sell this 300 plus page/minute printer at a fraction of the price all of these new printers are selling for. Not everyone in the corporate data center market wants to run 1,000 pages/minute, and many would want to have multiple slower printers rather that relying on one super-fast device."

Perhaps the announcement of the planned acquisition of Exstream is also a pre-announcement of the HP Color Data Center Printing System. It will be interesting to see how this news develops in the coming months."

This is very interesting, no? See this post of mine and try to read "through" it - and see how HP "expands"into new market niches? See this post.

300 ppm!!? wha, wha, whaaaaaaat?

Print4Pay Hotel: HP Edgeline "What Went Wrong"

Art has a good little post regarding Edgeline and "what went wrong".

Of course, I had to comment.



Print4Pay Hotel: HP Edgeline "What Went Wrong"

Clients, Edgeline vs Xerography...

I had breakfast with a very important client today and he asked, "could you tell me what the difference is between Edgeline and all the other copiers? I mean, how does the toner get to the paper?" This is a large company headquartered locally with locations and plants across the country and over 1500 printing assets.

Well, he tossed me a slow pitch, hanging, softball and all I had to do was smack it out of the park - and I did.

And as I was explaining the process I started to relize, once again, how very evolutionary this period in time has become.

I was harkened back to the "good ole days" - when I saw the very first color VGA monitor, or the very first NEC MultiSync color monitor. The very first laptop I used was the Compaq SLT - the "lunch box" was worlds ahead of the "sewing machine".

Liquid Crystal Displays, the first IBM ThinkPad, and I remember the very first time I ran an Epson LQ-something next to the HP LaserJet II WOWZIE!!! And here I am nearly 20 years later feeling those same feelings - "THIS IS BIG, THIS WILL CHANGE EVERYTHING"

As my conversation filled with "negative static, latent images, fuser oil, melting toner, corona wires..." I had to slow down, my passion was getting ahead of me - I actually took out a napkin and drew a diagram of the "zero-graphic" process ( you know of course Compaq Computer started on a napkin over lunch somewhere).

Explaining the Edgeline technology can be a great deal less complicated and I guess less sexy, “the machine squirts ink on the paper…really fast”

The excitement is there, the time seems to be now and I closed my discussion with,” let me ask you this, do you have a black and white TV? Do you remember when black and white TV’s were manufactured and sold and everybody had one? Have you seen a NEW black and white TV lately? There was a time when people just took black and white for granted in their TVs and color TV’s were too expensive”. – Interesting.

Fear The Cube or Don't Fear The Cube: In The End, It Won't Matter

5/2009

Xerox ColorCube -

I prefer not to get into the hardware vs hardware debate, after all, all copiers are the same.

But this "wrinkle" in the continuum is worth mentioning.

The Xerox ColorCube is not a contender, it is a game changer - and I haven't even seen a unit yet.

It doesn't matter.

Xerox could release a monkey in a crate with a box of crayons, and somebody, somewhere would buy it.

But this is not the case - there's no monkey in the Cube.

Let us not forget the end user really won't care what the technology is - like always, they will want to print or copy in color or B/W as easily and as simply as possible, at a reasonable cost.

The only folks calling this a "big" issue are those inside the industry.

Simple.

The strong point that Xerox puts forth here with ColorCube is variety of product - just look at the finishing capabilities.

Even though today there are only 3 units with multiple flavors, one need not stress when considering the Xerox product line, next year or the next decade.

This is just another change, iteration, evolution all expected and predictable as we head down the path towards total color output - just like the days of B/W TV were numbered, so to are B/W prints.

For that matter, so too, are the days of print in general.


See:

The Death of Xerography

Clients, Edgeline vs Xerography...

Xerox is NOT Afraid of Edgeline...

Is Anyone Really AFRAID of Edgeline?

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Goggles

Please secure your safety glasses. Don't do this at home, I am a trained professional. Yes, when we show the Edgeline, we open the doors, insert our special "tools", touch the green button and watch the "bunny suit" rock n roll. Paper runs through, the drum spins, the lights blink and ink hits paper. Scrumptish!

I love showing the Edgeline to peeps who "know copiers". At first, the Edgeline looks like every single other copier; but when I open the doors, the facial expressions are absolutely priceless - "it looks like a dryer! It SOUNDS like a dryer! What in the world is this?" Stop, you're getting me all misty.

Who Is #Greg_Walters: 2011

I was digging around some old stuff when I ran across this interview.  This was written and aired back in 2011 on the old "The Imaging Channel" website.

Cracks me up!

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Most of us know Greg Walters … or at least we know a little bit about him. We’re familiar with his blog, The Death of the Copier (DOTC), and the scantily clad ladies of said blog. We recognize his bandana and Harley Davidson. We know he’s opinionated and passionate about MPS. But we here at TIC Talk wanted to know more …

TIC: Do you have a “real” job? If so, what is it?
Greg: Yes, I have a “real” job as the MPS Practice Manager at SIGMAnet, a 25-year-old, West Coast VAR.

In the Beginning: One Shade of the DOTC Story

Interview, 7/7/2011, The Imaging Channel.

I dug this up from the underground vault - archives of days gone by, reflections of the future.

Most of us know Greg Walters … or at least we know a little bit about him. We’re familiar with his blog, The Death of the Copier (DOTC), and the scantily clad ladies of said blog. We recognize his bandana and Harley Davidson. We know he’s opinionated and passionate about MPS. 

But we here at TIC Talk wanted to know more …

TIC: Do you have a “real” job? If so, what is it?

Greg: Yes, I have a “real” job as the MPS Practice Manager at SIGMAnet, a 25-year-old, West Coast VAR.

TIC: Do you wear a suit to this “real job,” or ever?

Greg: OK, that’s funny. Yes, 9-5, I can be found usually sporting a suit, with a tie even. Odd thing is, many days I am the only person in the office in such garb. It’s Cali, and I am originally from the Midwest.

TIC: What’s your background?

Greg: I was born in Honolulu, Hawaii – Pearl Harbor, in that great big “coral pink” hospital in 1962.
I grew up in a suburb just outside Detroit, graduating high school in 1980 – the same year of the Miracle on Ice, Mt. St. Helens’ eruption, the Olympics and Ronald Reagan accepting the Republican nomination in Detroit, at Joe Louis Arena.

After college, I worked at INACOMP, making my way through a few other dealerships and VARs over a decade or so, always proposing computerized accounting systems. Those were wild times – PS/2s, COMPAQ, Novell networks and DOS 4.0. Taking a break from technology, I worked uniform sales – ahem, I mean, “Corporate Identity Programs” – for a great company, CINTAS. They transferred me out to Ontario, California, in 1999 to help open a new plant.

I decided to get back to technology and jumped into a sales position with Océ. From there, I worked with a very nice Panasonic dealership in Anaheim, pushed on to IKON out of Redlands, and ultimately stumbled into a new thing with SIGMAnet, Managed Print Services.

We started from scratch – oh, the stories I can tell.

TIC: When did you get into MPS?

Greg: Well, I started with the MPS practice in September of 2007. But while at IKON, I exposed myself to all the EDM I could and even worked intimately on a rather large FM project – MPS before there was such a thing.

TIC: When did you create DOTC, and why?

Greg: My first post was on February 20, 2008, and was about HP Edgeline. I created the blog thinking it would be a good way to put some information up regarding the benefits of Edgeline. We (SIGMAnet) were, and still are, an HP OPS Elite dealer. Edgeline was going to kill all other copiers, hence, “The Death of the Copier” – pretty simple. My second post, made on February 24, 2008, was titled “Managed Print Services, That Hot, New Thing …”

TIC: Did you ever imagine that it would grow into what DOTC has become today?

Greg: Nope. I can still see the looks on all the faces of those copier dudes at Lyra 2009. “Death of the Copier? Just who do you think you are?” LOL!I often comment how happy I was getting just 12 views a day, and most of those from my mom. I built the blog originally as a receptacle for things I was interested in. It evolved into a spot for me to put thoughts down one day and go back to read later. I honestly do write for an audience of one: me — and I crack me up. I must say, I am honored, humbled and thankful for all the great people DOTC has introduced in my life. No plan – just making it up as I go.

TIC: What do you do in your free time?

Greg: Huh – sleep.

And hit the trails, get off the grid in my 2001 LandRover, Disco II – yes, it is a green vehicle. Metallic Forest Green, that is. Ha! By the way, new idea for a bumper sticker on a Prius: “My other car is a … car.” Get it? Sorry, that’s my Detroit showing. Anywho, I also like to get out to the paintball arenas and light up some newbs. I used to golf – had all the stuff. One day I figured I really didn’t need another reason to chase a beer cart around all day.

TIC: Greg Walters is certainly an interesting and busy person, both personally and professionally. In addition to blogging on DOTC, working at SIGMAnet, and sitting on the board of the Managed Print Services Association (he currently serves as secretary), Greg will be joining the TIC Web team as a resident blogger, contributing bi-monthly blogs to The Imaging of Greg.

Be sure to check back on Monday, July 11, for his first post.

Posted by Katherine Fernelius on 07/07/2011
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the Color Copier

I can not tell you how many times I have walked into an account that uses a high-end, color copier to hear that prospect gripe about how long “it takes to print on this 30 thousand dollar machine and I print the same job in minutes on my HP color laser.”

I have seen this with my own eyes. K/M’s with all the bells, rips, memory etc etc – absolutely choke on .PDFs and the little HP chugs it out with no problems. Why is this?

Even after so many years of color, color copiers are still cumbersome. Color copiers with RIPs are still complicated and can be inconsistent – or worse, color copiers with RIPs and hardware and memory upgrades once configed and working with an application are now static. As long as nothing changes with the applications, or the operating environment all will be well.

But if the customer needs change, or a new software application is added or an existing application is upgraded – all bets are off. And this is a moving target for both the customer and the vendor. Copier hardware changes nearly every six months and the copier guys are going to talk about, sell, and support what is hot currently – they are not all that motivated to help upgrade or solve problems on a 2 year old color system. “All you need to do is go to the Canon site and upgrade the driver or flash the copier that’s all" - what kind of support is that ?!!

Committing service and support resources to the newest color system with the newest drivers and RIPs and ROMs and the minutia of details involved with supporting this specialized segment is daunting and expensive and unfortunately, well over the comprehension of most hardware tech's. Throw in shrinking profit margins and volume purchase commitments and monthly hardware forecasts and it becomes so much easier to just "sell the box".

Meanwhile, the HP 9500 color laser is spitting out 11x17 proofs.

Committing service and support resources to the newest color system with the newest drivers and RIPs and ROMs and the minutia of details involved with supporting this specialized segment is daunting and expensive and unfortunately, well over the comprehension of most hardware tech's. Throw in shrinking profit margins and volume purchase commitments and monthly hardware forecasts and it becomes so much easier to just "sell the box".

By the way, I hear that there is an Edgeline in some super-secret bunker outside of Boise churning out color at over 120 pages per minute. I also hear that an external RIP may be in the future for Edgeline.

And the I.T guys love this Edgeline thing.

If you Guarantee it, they will buy..

HP is standing behind their HP Edgeline Access VAR's and the CM8060/50 with one big stick.

"Overview

HP Products are designed and manufactured to meet both our customer's and our partner's performance expectations. If after working with HP Edgeline Support, an Edgeline Access partner is unable to bring an HP CM8060/CM8050 Color MFP's performance in line with specifications, HP will contact the partner within one business day to arranged for an HP representative to visit the customer site, schedule delivery of a replacement unit or initiate a refund of the unit price."

Ok, before you start picking the above apart (because one could) stand back and think about this, especially if you are in the copier industry - if you're a dealer, say...I dunno, let's just call you ICON - how easy is it to get a replacement unit out to your customer? Can you show your customer Canon's documented, replacement policy? How about K/M or how about Ricoh?

Sure you can get a like-for-like, meaning some old, returned, used but "functional" unit, pulled out of the service inventory.

And if you think even deeper - about a refund - who offers refunds on copiers?

There will be dealers out there who see this as a negative - who pays for pick up, how does this work with a lease, do I get a service credit from HP for all the time my tech spends trying to fix, and how come the service rates are so high - blah, blah, blah...as one of my characterized role models said, "I find your lack of faith...disturbing."

On the other side, there is a risk of dealers trying to "fit a square peg in a round hole" by using this as a closing tool - short sighted simpletons who will lead with this guarantee - they just don't get it. Indeed, the biggest risk to HP is in what the VAR channel does with this - but all things will be revealed.

The single most important aspect of this move is HP's apparent feeling that they have a super-duper, grand slam, slam dunk product; a Tiger By The Tail - a true "Copier Killer"

And they do.

And this is just the beginning - I can "Bear"-ly stand it!

Much more to come -

The Demo From Hades: This Is What Happens When You Take Your Eye Off Your Opponent

10/2009

We have all done it. The seasoned of us, have committed it more often.

Twenty minutes of hell demonstrating the greatest contribution to office productivity and flubbing up every, single thing.

Face Plant. Flameout. Bunkered. Epic Fail.

It wasn't the machine's fault, a matter of fact, the Edgeline was in great shape, the best ever; someone even cleaned the chassis. Trays were set correctly, scanning worked, print driver was installed and at the ready.

So I couldn't blame the machine.

The MPS pre-work had been established; a study conducted, and the decision for the copiers had been wrestled away from purchasing and handed over to IT.

The small fleet was old, oversold and the leases expired.

My proposal made sense didn't grow into a 10-pound, thousand-page monstrosity, and even included Visio flowcharts. Cool.

The prospects' approval process had been defined, and documented and we were are track. The Economic, and Technical influencers were identified and covered.

I had a Coach and End-Users interviewed. As a final stage, my coach was bringing the last remaining end-user to our offices so she could just take a "quick" peek at the Edgeline.

Can you see this train wreck coming?

To be certain, I am not the best at "the demo" - and I think those who are, commit way too much time, standing at the machine, learning the myriad of never-used functions.

I loathe copier training disguised as "sales" training - you know the ones - all speeds and feeds and why this guy's toner is more round than that one's...gag.

But also, I have demoed Oces with cold cans of Coca-Cola in them. I have run dozens of Edgelines with the doors open - if you've never seen it, it is glorious.

I've scanned coffee-stained UPS Red shipping tickets through many Canon ADFs and received 99% hit OCR rates.

Who hasn't had a toner bottle explode while showing how "easy it is" to replace?

Yes, I have even "made up" a flip-chart presentation while that damn space shuttle icon was prepared for and finally launched(Konica/Minolta) because some goody-goody, decided to power down the unit 10 minutes before my client arrived.

And the ultimate bar story - I have demoed a machine that had no power; I just used the word "imagine" a great deal.

So yeah, I can dance through most anything. Most.

But I prefer to have all the variables nailed down. Like, what kind of documents will be copied, are there any specific functions to be reviewed, and will you ever need a heavier bond?

Are you printing PDFs, and if so, can you send me a file ahead of the demo, so we can be prepared? And what about envelopes?

Do you need and will you need to see 11x17, in color?

Stuff like that. The boring, mundane, bland, everyday functions that a copier should be able to perform. The simple things.

The dark partner of concern shuddered my foundation of confidence when I saw her meaty hand clutching the manila folder of documents. Her heels clicked across our reception area tile like the ticking of some angry clock. Oh boy.

But I thought to myself, "Should be no problem...they print more than copy...".

Well, she pulled out a full color, highly detailed, 11x17 map - generated from an older inkjet - .BMP, not even. PDF.

My question to her was why would you ever copy something like this if you could print it? Don't you receive these documents (hard copy, bound, site survey, and maps) in electronic form?

Mind you, I recognized the engineering company that generated the document. The same company I sold a few wide-format devices and a color Canon unit to three years ago.

The Canon came with E*Copy Desktop. And I remember spending an hour showing them how to assemble multi-page. PDF documents so they could email final reports to their clients, saving thousands on courier charges. I knew that she had the report in digital form.

"No", her response.

"So, you dismantle the report, scan them and then make copies? Is that the process?

"Yes", her response.

I know, logic does not apply, but it didn't matter. This is how she does it now, and this is the process she wants to see my machine perform.

My weakness - my unit scans at 600 dpi and outputs 1200 so the output was clearly sub-standard. I had to agree.

Oh, and sometimes, they need to duplex 11x17, at the machine and hate the speed of their existing Xerox.

Carefully explaining how the Edgeline applies the ink, reads the surface of the paper, and either re-applies ink with another pass or runs the sheet around again until the ink is dry - this makes the speed of output decrease but ensures higher quality.

She wasn't having any of it.

The scan quality sucked, and the speed slowed to an unbearable crawl. Game, set, match, I took five in the back.

The Postmortem - "Somebody Call Dexter, we got blood here..."

What did we learn?

Know what the heck you are getting into before you get into it. More importantly, MPS is a big deal, a compelling argument, but when it gets right down to it, it's the basics that either make or break you - always has been, always will be.

Remember the basics.

Hey, this isn't easy, if it were, your manager would still be in sales.

Keep getting up and keep selling.

The Prints of Life: A week on the road in the world of Managed Print Services 2008

 

On the road again,

Deals to close, clients to meet,

Thrill of the chase lives.

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It's another day on the road, 

another week in the wild world of managed print services. I hit the gas on my beat-up Chevy and head towards Victorville, California, where a room full of copier salesmen are all vying for a piece of the action at an RFQ meeting. I can already feel the whiskey burning in my veins and the adrenaline pumping through my body. 

The drive there is a trip, let me tell you. Past the Rose Bowl, the site of many a Michigan defeat, and onto the Pacific Coast Highway. The ocean is a sight to behold, especially after a cold Michigan winter. Up to the client's office, where the C-level execs are waiting for me to inventory their fleet...

This is my element, baby.

Ok, I was wrong...again....

In one of my prior posts, I mentioned some ways of increasing the speed existing Edgeline platform

Some of this conjecture was incorrect. Changing the orientation of the page as it enters the printing engine was, in theory, allowing one more page to be printed during each printing cycle.

After further research, this will not work.

In the present configuration of the Edgeline the print heads cover only 8.5 inches. When an 11x17 copy or print is generated, the page needs to be passed under the heads twice, decreasing the throughput speed very significantly. So, if paper is injected in a portrait orientation, the page would need to pass under the heads twice.

The Word From Hurd: IPG Growth Includes Wal and K*Mart

One word kid, one word..."Kiosk...Kiosk...Kiosk..."

Ok, that's three words.

I have seen the future of Edgeline and it is at K*Mart.

HP's notorious inventory challenges are reportedly behind them, and 2010 looks to be a year of "recovery...and attack..."

IPG is leaner, meaner and looks "...to drive further share in installed base gains with double digit printer unit growth in Q1..."

Hurd's remark about IPG expansion around "100's of photo kiosks..." piqued my interest.

Somebody, somewhere, somehow, is manufacturing EDGELINE engines. The Final Destination just isn't a department in your corporate accounts, it's underneath a blinking, blue light, in isle 13.

Hurd-

"...IPG is poised for recovery and is getting on the attack. As we enter fiscal year 2010, the headwinds in channel inventory are behind us. We expect supplies growth to improve with economic trends, and employment levels and project a flattish result in Q1.

Demand is also improving for our printers.

We gained share sequentially and we expect to drive further share in installed base gains with double digit printer unit growth in Q1. Due to improvements in our cost structure we can do this while remaining within the 15 to 17% operating margin that we laid out at our analyst meeting in September.

IPG is also gaining significant traction with its growth initiatives. We deployed hundreds of photo kiosks this quarter at Wal-Mart and look forward to further expansion in 2010.

Recent studies released by market analysts highlight HPs leadership in managed print services with more signings than any of our competitors. We're encouraged by our Managed Print Services funnel, which is at record levels, these deals are generally for multiple years and have a high attach rate of supplies.

In commercial print the analog to digital page shift is occurring and we are leveraging our technology to accelerate the transition. Partnerships with industry leaders like Pitney Bowes, RR Donnelly, and web press purchases from communication leaders, Omnicom demonstrate the power of our portfolio and capabilities. We expect you will hear more partnerships from us shortly.With our significant market leadership and broad patent portfolio, we are well positioned to capture this significant page opportunity..."

For a good re-cap, check out Jim's blog, here.

Death Of The Copier a Year Later: When does a Blog stop being a Blog?

I had to go back and see what the official date was of my first post. I knew it was close to March, but to my surprise, it was a year ago, yesterday (Feb 20).

So I guess it is fitting that I put down some thoughts a year later.

One of the techniques I have learned to drive traffic to a site, is to use easily searchable words in the title of the post, like "copier", "HP", "Xerox", etc. - this post will not show up on many Google results and that is fine with me.

It's fine because I really write to read what I write - that's how this started, and today it's still true.

I started this little endeavor without really knowing what a "Blog" was - all I wanted to do was put some information "out there", within reach of potential clients. Information strictly around the HP Edgeline. At the time a revolutionary new technology, a "copier Killer" technology.

Well, I never really wanted to talk about what I ate for lunch or how many people came over for Thanksgiving dinner.

Back in the beginning, "driving traffic" to the site meant me telling my family and close friends about my blog and how they should "go check it out". One month, 12 of my friends viewed one page and spent an average of 30 seconds on the site. Today, I have a months with 16,000 and an average time on the site between 2.5 and 3.2 minutes.

Back then a "Blog", the combination of the two words web and log, was considered a diary created by individuals and stored on the internet.

I looked at the Drudge Report as a functional model. Scanning the internet for information regarding my industry and posting.

Pretty simple.

This idea grew into finding more information, again interesting to me, and writing some commentary or reflection. And ultimately, writing pure content based on topical issues.

As time progressed, I started to refer to the blog as "my site" - because it really isn't a blog, it's not a journal or diary. One of the many things I have learned, most successful, business blogs really aren't diaries. Neither is mine - but I must admit I do like to go back and read older posts.

Sometimes I cringe, sometimes I laugh out loud, most of the time I am just as amused as the day I wrote it.

They say any good experience is one you learn something from. This is the greatest learning experience, ever.

Over the past 12 months, together, we have been witness to the beginning of the largest merger in the history of our industry .

We've seen $5.00/gallon gasoline prices grind the economy to a stand still and have witnessed the biggest transfer of private business to government ownership in the history of mankind - this has not been a "ho-hum" year.

I have learned more about smart paper, carbon credits, publishing, killer laser toner, nano-printing, copier leases, copier crimes in Cleveland, winery tours, and recycling centers, soy based toner, Hybrid Dealers, Galactic-Hybrid Dealers, drunk email, umbrellas of silence, Pearl Harbor, and Google Data Barges.

Some of the other things I have learned involve plagiarism, "feeds" vs content, verifying sources and that writing should not be easy, if it is, then it is not writing.

I have also tried to title my posts with a bit more thought - well, I must admit, I do like "The Death of..."

The Death of Xerography
The Death of the Sale
The Death of the Copier Person
The Death of Print
The Death of Kaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhnnnnnnn!
The Death of Socrates
The Death of Windows 3.0
The Death of the "Close"
The Death of the Typewriter
The Death of the Copier Dealer
The Death of Edgeline

I still chuckle, and reflect, when reading "The Death of Kaaaaaaaahhhhhnnnnnn!" I am sure there will be more.

Ah...the people...

This site as introduced me to so many different people. People I would never have met without the DOTC. Great peeps - you know who you are. Collaborators, mentors, contributors, critics - peers. To you, I say thanks.

And the connections...

I have now been published in a new and highly regarded MPS Journal, I have been interviewed by dozens of pundits, industry analysts and peers. I am currently working on articles for a number of industry publications.

I attended the Lyra Symposium and will be attending the Photizo conference in April. I am part of a collection of MPS people focused on helping others make it in this field.

All of this is very flattering and a bit unbelievable. The attention is grand.

And yet, the most rewarding aspect has been receiving emails from folks who read the site everyday - who have made it part of their routine.

The regular, normal, everyday Selling Professional. The people that make EVERYTHING happen. Sometimes it's just a phrase or two and sometimes I receive a nice long letter - and to be honest I haven't received all that many. But a law of marketing says for every "one" response, there are 5.3 people who feel the same.(not sure on the actual figure)

The blog stopped being a blog, the day I received my first "good job" email, back in August of 2008 - since then, its been a odyssey.

And as this writing expedition, this journey into "self" continues to evolve, I am even more honored to have you here along with me.

Thank you, and keep coming back.

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What the HP Split Tells Us About HP's Managed Print Services

It's an outhouse.  Made out of the shipping container for Edgeline.

For years the definition of managed print services has been bandied around like a beach ball on Labor Day Weekend. Your definition of MPS rotated around your particular strengths.

For instance, if you refilled empty toner cartridges, your MpS is all about less expensive toner. If you're a copier dealership, your MpS may orient around centralized MFD's and optimization means a single brand of devices. Still, if you are a big box, office supplies vendor, your MpS is all about desk side toner delivery.

My definition of MPS tries to be encompassing: my monitoring software is in on a screen inside my NOC, right next to the CCTV and Level Platforms. My optimization, for example, includes reducing the number of devices in an accounting department to zero and implementing digital workflow systems and dual monitors.

So, back in 2009, my MPS included everything from ink and service delivery, staff augmentation, Sharepoint, laptop imaging, and unified communications. I was a big HP house. I sold only HP toner, servers, laptops, printers and...oh yeah, Edgeline multifunction behemoths.

HP Edgeline vs. Xerox ColorQube

Here are a couple of videos about each platform.

Interesting stuff - with X pushing this "new technology" via large marketing dollars, Edgeline may benefit from "me too" positioning.

Not the best way to get exposure, but in lieu of any new HP announcements, the only avenue left.

Both have weaknesses; there are some pretty good comparisons out there, like this one from Art.

The marketing edge and "buzz" factor must go to Xerox, today. As a matter of fact, keep an eye on the Big X, with the new product, the PagePack program(s)and their sheer size, they could be...to big to fail...(gag).

A Week In The Life of Managed Print Services

June 2008.

One thousand miles and so far, yet to go.

Day One Victorville, California

Pre-Proposal Meeting - To review an RFQ for a small (30) fleet of copiers. Imagine if you can, a room full of copier people, all of them competitors asking questions relating to an RFQ. I sat in the back of the room and bit my tongue so many times I still talk with a lisp.

I swear, the copier guys still don't get it - but unfortunately, I don't think the prospective client gets it either - so it could be a match made in heaven for someone other than me. No worries.

Day Two - Santa Barbara, California - Initial Client meeting and printer fleet survey -

Ok, this is the "eat your heart out" part.

The drive to this client takes me past the Rose Bowl - yeah, the one you see around New Year's Day when Michigan comes out here and loses. Seeing the stadium always kindles something inside me - I remember watching the Rose Bowl on TV in Michigan looking at the sun and the short sleeves and shots of the bright, warm beach. Then looking out my window at the cold, post-x-mas, snow. LOL!

And then I remember the drives into Detroit or Flint in February - these cold, delayed stress-inducing visions are scattered as the turn in the road reveals the shimmering sunlight dancing off the Pacific Ocean! (yeah, that the Pacific Ocean).

Up the PCH to talk about Managed Print Services. 

The meeting is with all the right people - C-Level, facilities, operations.

During the meeting, I was instructed to "just inventory the fleet, so I can get a handle on what we've got here". Simple.

Same Day - Onward to Diamond Bar

Stopped in to review an Edgeline install. The client is 'stuck in a lease for a Konica - the Konica has never performed to spec, and for the last few months, prints with a "pinkish hue". Unfortunately, most of the reports printed are customer-facing documents reflecting important and revenue-generating information.

The lease has around 20 months on it still and of course, there is no easy way out. So the client is taking the Edgeline and moving the Konica off to the side as a backup that will act as a reminder to never do business with a copier dealer again...delicious.

Day Three - Imperial/El Centro, California. Four miles from the Mexican border.

Driving past the Windmills - you've seen them on MI:3 and many other movies and to the 86. The highway winds through the desert next to the Salton Sea. Point of fact, the Salton Sea was formed by accident; I have never seen swimmers in or boats on the Salton Sea.

I am currently engaged in a study of approximately 30 machines. This is a Mini-Assessment - a partial look at a subset of 400 copiers and nearly 100 single-purpose laser units. At the first look, we may be able to save 10's of thousands of dollars the first month after initiating a program.

Day Four - 210-bed Hospital - Mini Assessment

Meeting with IT director to interview and survey two departments. We end up looking at 4-5 departments and discussing strategy - the appointment takes 3 hours. Interviews with nurses uncover volumes of issues some out of scope but influential on the overall possible Managed Print Services project.

Primary findings indicate an "over-exuberance of selling prowess" in the last copier salesperson's delivery. The current fleet is over spec'd and underutilized - and machines are just too big(physically).

Same Day - The Hurd Meeting
After spending time at a local Starbucks sending emails and making phone calls, I head out to Hollywood(yes, that Hollywood) to meet a colleague before he meets with Mark Hurd and one of my clients.

We decide to meet at the Beverly Hills Hotel(yes...the hotel that inspired the Eagles', Hotel California) in the bar, The Polo Lounge.

Point of Fact: The Beverly Hills Hotel was built before the city and the city was named after the hotel. The hotel is nestled in a residential area and is the heart of the city.

The Polo Lounge is world-famous - with celebs sipping Martini's almost daily. It's four o'clock in the afternoon - ordering a Martini I ask the bartender to "surprise me" - she delivers the best adult beverage I have had to date - I have no idea what is in it. Prior to walking in, I had never heard of the Polo Lounge - I am such a cad.

My colleague walks in and promptly orders water - oh 0h - I tell him, "don't feel uncomfortable with me drinking a Martini", he responds, "Please don't feel uncomfortable with me ordering water." we laugh and get down to business. We are reviewing the RFQ from our meeting four days ago.

Same Day – After 5

My client’s meeting with Hurd is concluded and as a special treat, one of my peers has invited a select group to accompany him and our client to the Magic Castle. I had heard of this establishment before – lots of magic, exclusive, club members only, great food, and libation.

But before we meet for dinner, my peer inflicts upon our small convoy “Mr. Toad’s Wild Ride” through the Hollywood hills (Bob Seger). Just when I think all is lost, we pull off into one of those “scenic” view spots. We scramble out, jog up a few steps, and BAM! The view is of the complete L.A. basin.

Starting on the left and rotating clock-wise we first see the Hollywood sign, then Madona’s old house,  Griffith Observatory recently seen in Transformers, the L.A. skyline dominated by The US Bank Tower they blew up in Independence Day, the Capitol Records building that was destroyed by tornadoes in The Day After and over to Century City and Santa Monica the areas destroyed in the movie Volcano.

And now - to the Castle. The dinner was great, the entertainment was world-class and business was discussed – a good time was had by all.

and with that...another week in the life fades to black...Ho Hum…

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March 2024 in the Copier Industry - The Same Only Different

I just read an article over at Cannata Report about diversification of products and services for the copier dealership.  I can't help but to be a bit surprised at how much HASN'T changed in over two decades.

Don't get me wrong, all of the observations and reflections contained are valid and support the notion that doing more of everything is the best way for copier resellers to avoid the same fate as buggy whips and While You Were Out message pads.(you remember those, right?)

Managed Print Services, scanners, telephones, and ink (Edgeline, anyone?) are staunch, proven, and although on the other side of the bell curve, profitable endeavors of pursuit.

Hear me out.

Death of The Copier and MFP Solutions Blog - Greg To Art

7/2009

A little self-promotion - article written by Scott Cullen and published over at BERTL.

WHAT’S THE DEAL? TELLING IT LIKE IT IS

By Scott Cullen

The truth is out there and it’s only a few clicks away on of the imaging industry’s cutting-edge blogs.

Blogging is nothing new, but feet on the street sales reps in the imaging industry who blog are certainly something you don’t run into every day. Meet two of the most prolific and opinionated bloggers in the imaging industry-- Greg Walters and Art Post.

Walters works in the managed print services division of a West Coast IT integrator and HP value-added VAR. His “Death of the Copier” blog (http://thedeathofthecopier.blogspot.com/) is hip, happening, and sometimes irreverent, and a must-read for anyone doing business in the imaging industry.

Post is a self-proclaimed “docusultant” with a Ricoh dealership in Highlands, New Jersey who, like Howard Cosell, tells it like it is. He started his blog, (www.mfpsolutions.blogspot.com) 15 months ago and the hits just keep on coming.

The inspiration for Walter’s blog, at least its eye-popping title, was the introduction of HP’s Edgeline technology, a technology that was going to be the death of traditional copier technology as we know it. Well, we all know what happened there.

“The Death of the Copier was because we had the Edgeline engine and it was going to take over the copier world,” recalls Walters. “That’s how it started and very quickly evolved into content and information about managed print services, the print industry in general, copiers, printers, and all that stuff.”

It’s all that stuff that makes Walter’s blog a fascinating read. He knows what he’s talking about having been in the imaging industry for 20+ years, including a stint at IKON. He’s no shill for any manufacturer, including HP. Honesty is Walter’s best quality and his blog does indeed make for scintillating reading even when he’s sharing stories from other sources.

Walters’ blog gets 14,000 views a month, which is pretty darn good considering the topic. Are there really that many people who want to read about the imaging industry each month? Guess so. He has no idea why so many hits, but isn’t wasting time figuring it out. When he’s not integrating and providing added value to customers in his day job, he’s blogging, and he’s making appearances at industry conferences and events. From the looks of it, Walters’ 15 minutes of fame is just beginning.

"With bloggers like Post and Walters, it’s refreshing to find two industry veterans willing to cut through the hype and tell it like it is."

"The Sky will Blow The Heavens into Stars" - The Future of our Imaging Industry, Xerox, IBM, HP, Content

2011

Autonomy Corporation

"Autonomy is the market leader in the provision of software that automates the analysis of unstructured data, whether in the form of text, audio, images or video." - UBS, July 2008

The other day, I sat in on a webinar.  The fine folks at Lyra were presenting "Printing supplies market trends MPS" - yeah, I know, who the hell would sit in on one of these?

MpS Geeks, that's who.

Of course, the data presented has been fodder for DOTC for the past year; we will never get back the placement levels of 2008, A3 devices are dying(ahem), any recovery will be linked directly to the surviving dealership's ability to focus on workflow, not the box. We know this, correct?

Then a funny thing came up - OEMs are "rationalizing" their fleet offerings.  They are narrowing down the number of models.  

Shrinkage.